The Music Thread

[Stef N]

https://www.creativerightsinai.co.uk/

I've signed a letter (a template that's provided...takes about 30 seconds) this morning that's gone to the local MP.

The Campaign is in all UK papers today.

https://creativerightsinai.eaction.org.uk/MP

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https://youtu.be/OFGA2HbCa0A?si=HqCR8ePa6SRb46KF

Bit of late 1970s this morning moving on a few years from last night's recommend.. Interesting band.

Unlike the snarky comment I got back last time I got in touch with a government figure, I received a decent response from my local MP, Andrew Lewin.The proof will obviously be in the pudding but the response does seem like he is taking it seriously.

"Thank you for contacting me about the Government’s consultation on artificial intelligence (AI) and copyright.

I support right holders to exercise control over the use of their content in the training of AI models and their ability to be remunerated for their work. Our creative industries are worth £125 billion to our economy and they are crucial to the Government’s industrial strategy. I know just how important they are to Hertfordshire and Welwyn Hatfield with excellent work being done at the University of Hertfordshire and down the roads in Borehamwood and Elstree. The Government firmly believes that writers, musicians, artists and other creatives should have the ability to know and control the use of their content, as well as the ability to seek licensing deals and fair payment.

The application of UK copyright law to the training of AI models is currently disputed. This uncertainty is hampering innovation and growth in both our creative and AI sectors. The Government is has consulted on plans to provide legal certainty to both sectors.

The Government’s proposals include a mechanism for rights holders to reserve their rights, allowing creators to license and be remunerated for the use of their work in AI training. Under this proposal, right holders can expressly reserve their rights and AI developers are only allowed to train on materials in which right holders did not reserve their rights. This approach of a data mining exception allows right holders to reserve their rights underpinned by transparency and removes legal ambiguity.

To ensure the effectiveness of the Government’s proposal, this approach would be underpinned by robust measures to ensure developers are transparent about the works their models are trained on. The Government also recognises that for rights reservation and measures on transparency to work in practice, there will need to be appropriate support to encourage widespread adoption and compliance.

I would like to assure you that I stand steadfast behind our world-class creative and media industries that add so much to our cultural and economic life. Thank you once again for contacting me about this issue.

Kind regards,

Andrew"

[Goldcrest]

https://www.creativerightsinai.co.uk/

I've signed a letter (a template that's provided...takes about 30 seconds) this morning that's gone to the local MP.

The Campaign is in all UK papers today.

https://creativerightsinai.eaction.org.uk/MP

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https://youtu.be/OFGA2HbCa0A?si=HqCR8ePa6SRb46KF

Bit of late 1970s this morning moving on a few years from last night's recommend.. Interesting band.

Unlike the snarky comment I got back last time I got in touch with a government figure, I received a decent response from my local MP, Andrew Lewin.The proof will obviously be in the pudding but the response does seem like he is taking it seriously.

"Thank you for contacting me about the Government’s consultation on artificial intelligence (AI) and copyright.

I support right holders to exercise control over the use of their content in the training of AI models and their ability to be remunerated for their work. Our creative industries are worth £125 billion to our economy and they are crucial to the Government’s industrial strategy. I know just how important they are to Hertfordshire and Welwyn Hatfield with excellent work being done at the University of Hertfordshire and down the roads in Borehamwood and Elstree. The Government firmly believes that writers, musicians, artists and other creatives should have the ability to know and control the use of their content, as well as the ability to seek licensing deals and fair payment.

The application of UK copyright law to the training of AI models is currently disputed. This uncertainty is hampering innovation and growth in both our creative and AI sectors. The Government is has consulted on plans to provide legal certainty to both sectors.

The Government’s proposals include a mechanism for rights holders to reserve their rights, allowing creators to license and be remunerated for the use of their work in AI training. Under this proposal, right holders can expressly reserve their rights and AI developers are only allowed to train on materials in which right holders did not reserve their rights. This approach of a data mining exception allows right holders to reserve their rights underpinned by transparency and removes legal ambiguity.

To ensure the effectiveness of the Government’s proposal, this approach would be underpinned by robust measures to ensure developers are transparent about the works their models are trained on. The Government also recognises that for rights reservation and measures on transparency to work in practice, there will need to be appropriate support to encourage widespread adoption and compliance.

I would like to assure you that I stand steadfast behind our world-class creative and media industries that add so much to our cultural and economic life. Thank you once again for contacting me about this issue.

Kind regards,

Andrew"

Wow...that's a very full reply. Nothing from Robbie Moore up my way, which is unusual because he is normally responsive (which kept him his seat)...though maybe national issues don't matter as much as local ones for him.

Enjoyed the Charles Mingus posted earlier. My old boss sent me a link around Xmas time. Another Charles. The choice of artwork is similar too. I'd not heard his stuff before. (I post on my phone rather than laptop so still haven't worked out how to embed a video but at least these links open fine).

https://youtu.be/aCPJqJkjnzc?si=D7Ds7FFwqJlG0rz5

[Goldcrest]

https://youtu.be/C7sbcPJeNxw?si=pk_S4Z8VnzHyg6Gd

Heard this morning. Calefax Reed Quintet. Florence Price composer.

Reading also that more and more people are now listening to classical music than a year ago (R3 has experienced year on year increases). And it's a regular thing. An indicator about where the world is right now or tastes becoming more refined? Or something else?

[Stef N]

https://youtu.be/C7sbcPJeNxw?si=pk_S4Z8VnzHyg6Gd

Heard this morning. Calefax Reed Quintet. Florence Price composer.

Reading also that more and more people are now listening to classical music than a year ago (R3 has experienced year on year increases). And it's a regular thing. An indicator about where the world is right now or tastes becoming more refined? Or something else?

Nice, cheers.

Probably, like me, a lot of people are tired of the relentless news and want something a bit calmer to listen to. I now predominantly listen to 3 or podcasts. It's also a very good station.

[KiwiScot]

I once attended a concert in the Manic Street Preachers farewell tour, but then they kept on touring afterwards. Can anyone think of acts that did farewell tours, but then kept on touring. Not like 20yrs later, but soon after their "farewell" tour.

[Stef N]

I once attended a concert in the Manic Street Preachers farewell tour, but then they kept on touring afterwards. Can anyone think of acts that did farewell tours, but then kept on touring. Not like 20yrs later, but soon after their "farewell" tour.

I'm sure Black Sabbath had a final tour not that long ago and LCD Soundsystem had a massive, final show extravaganza. They're still going.

[The Raptor]

I once attended a concert in the Manic Street Preachers farewell tour, but then they kept on touring afterwards. Can anyone think of acts that did farewell tours, but then kept on touring. Not like 20yrs later, but soon after their "farewell" tour.

I went to Terrorvisions 'farewell forever tour'

Seen them at least 4 times since.

I think now it's only 3/4 of them but it's always a great night. 

Ooooh wap
Bap ba ooop wap...

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The bends
Elastica

Too albums from my youth that are 30 years old today. Got Elastica on the day from hmv when it was upstairs in top shop. The bends I got to appreciate 6 months later.

Listened to both today. They stand up.

The Bends is still top 10 released in my lifetime (since 78) will probably have it on repeat for the next week or so. (Except bullet proof. Always slipped that!)

[Stef N]

I went to see this brilliant jazz musician last night. A great sax player with a tight band behind her and four members of the Chineke Orchestra to help things along.




There was a bit at the end, which she took with good grace, but was very disrespectful in my opinion. She was playing a piece of mournful sax and getting to the last few notes, the audience were enthralled and just as she took a breath to finish one of the bar staff dumped a load of empty bottles into a large bin, causing a very loud noise at the back. She did smile at this interuption to be fair but they really could have paid a modicum of attention to the artist.

[The Raptor]

I'll check her out. I don't mind a bit of jazz every so often. I play the saxophone too so I could pick up some tips! The first one would probably be getting it out of its box for the first time in a year...

[Stef N]

I'll check her out. I don't mind a bit of jazz every so often. I play the saxophone too so I could pick up some tips! The first one would probably be getting it out of its box for the first time in a year...

If you haven't heard him you should check out Colin Stetson. Some of the sounds he can get from Saxophones is amazing, using circular breathing and I assume electronic wizardry.

Anyway, Max Richter is composer of the week on Radio 3. I highly recommend him to anyone that wants to try out classical music as he is a bit of a gateway without being overly commercial or cheesy.